Without further ado, let's show some more of my recently acquired vintage Minifigs 25mm 7YW/AWI figures. Having presented boxes 1 to 4 of infantry last time, now I'll show the next three, box numbers 5 to 7 of foot units.
Box no. 5 brings us a new nation into the frame - Russians! These consist of:
Two battalions of Line Infantry (Musketeers) :
It appears that all units had basically the same uniform, with different regiments distinguished by their flags. There are no flags here, so I have no regimental identification - which means I can choose! Just need to make or buy some standards.Grenadiers: a full battalion-size unit at the back and a 'company' (or maybe two) of 8 figures with slightly different detail colours. I wonder if the latter ar meant to be added, 4 figures each, to the above 'Line' battalions?
and finally Pandours: one battalion-sized unit.
So, with 'four and a bit' foot units, and some cavalry ( Cossacks and Hussars, see earlier post ), I have a reasonable Russian contingent - perhaps not being a 'main army' but a useful allied force for one of the larger armies (which look likely to be Prussians, Austrians and French ).
Box 6 takes us back to the French - the most significant outcome of buying this collection has been I have acquired quite a large French army! We start with some 'Wild Geese' - Irish in French service:
First, Regiment Dillon :
and Regiment Bulkely :
Next, a couple of battalions of 'Grenadiers de France' :
Interesting units; it seems that after the peace of 1748, many French line regiments were disbanded. But 48 of their Grenadier companies were retained, and grouped into the four 'brigades' of 'Grenadiers De France' - each of 12 companies of about 60 men (it seems that each 'brigade' may have had 12 colonels too!) . And it seems that everyone doing an army for the period wants a unit of them, including the various gens who painted these..
Now for a bit of a mystery unit: I am assumng also French, because they came from a box full of French..
Looking at Kronoskaf , my best guess is the Volontaires de Kerjean, part of the Compagnie des Indes based in French India. Kronoskaf has this image:which doesn't seem too far off, but if anyone has other suggestions, I'd be interested to hear them. Does this open up a whole new front - India! Not sure I can afford to recruit Moghuls!
And finally from this box, another nice group of mounted officers
I'm really pleased that there are plenty of these coming up, I am going to need Generals, Brigadiers etc, and they are nicely painted.
OK, on to Box no.7, and it's yet more French, and some more Americans. first, the only unpainted troops in the whole collection
described by the seller as 'French Light Infantry' - I admit I have not yet managed to decipher the maker's code on the bases, which should give a big clue ( though plenty of the other figures are not painted as their code numbers would indicate, sometimes not even the same nation!). My assumption is that they will be more 'AWI' than '7YW', as specifically 'Light' infantry really only got going in the later conflict.
Another unusual group - sold as 'French Light Fusilier'
Again, I think these are more likely to be from the AWI - though I rather think they might be snuck into the 7YW as some sort of 'Imagi-nation' unit, perhaps representing some small principality whose ruler had somewhat advanced ideas on new infantry tactics.. They do look nice!
Next and well well, what a surprise, another unit of Grenadiers de France!
Looks like every club member was determined to have a unit of these - it's like King Tigers in WW2! Nicely done though, and the flag is good. If there are too many of these, I suppose the other units might become Grenadiers of some other blue-coated nation, real or imaginary.And finally for today, back to the Americans themselves, with a unit conveniently labelled '4th Massachusets'
and a slightly rag-tag bunch described as 'US Continentals'
That's enough for now, though I have another two boxes of infantry to show, this time with a dstinctly Germanic flavour.. I will save them for another time. I continue to enjoy sorting through all these and mulling over how they can be used, they are nearly all nicely painted and will look great en masse on the table. In particular, it looks like we have a powerful French army in the making! If I'm not boring my readers to distraction with these, I'll show the final batch of infantry next time. Until then keep well, everyone.
This is the 'gift' that keeps on giving David! If you have too many Grenadiers de France you could always re-paint some of them ordinary line unit grenadier companies and reduce the number of 'hatmen' in your battalions and put the spares into a new line unit. Or repaint some as Austrian grenadiers. And some of the Reichs states had grenadiers in bearskins in the SYW.
ReplyDeleteLooking at your hex sizes have you considered splitting the battalions into 2?
I think the Russians mostly combined their line battalion grenadiers into converged grenadier units like the Prussians. So again, you could make up an additional unit from them.
From memory, the unpainted unit is something like the Chasseurs de Fischer (formed 1743 so early enough for SYW). The Light Fusiliers do look like AWI period, though there were varied hat styles in the 'Legions' formed in the WAS period onwards.
Thanks Chris, I knew you'd be able to contribute! Indeed I was thinking along those lines with the French Grenadiers, they are bound to be useful somewhere.
DeleteInteresting about hex sizes - up to now I have been playing 'The Portable Wargame' on those hexes and using much smaller units. But now, with this huge increase in numbers, I think I am happy to have battalions of 20 or 24, say, and probably move to a non-gridded terrain - you might say 'old school'! I've had a copy of Keith Flint's 'Honours of War' for a while, that might work.
Good point about Russian Grenadiers, and thanks for IDing the unpainted French and Light Fusiliers - other commenters agree with you. It is indeed 'The Gift that Keeps on Giving'!
More splendid additions! You picked up quite a sizable collection. Yes, everyone wants to field the Grenadiers de France and your French Light Fusiliers certainly look to be from the AWI period.
ReplyDeleteWhat a splendid addition to your wargaming collection. I think that the chaps you weren’t sure of might be troops from the mid 18th century in Canada , courier de bois.
ReplyDeleteAlan Tradgardland
Thanks Alan, I think you are probably right on that mystery unit - French Canadian much more likely than Indian. I should have looked at the maker's code on the bases! I have done that for some of the figures (and there are some unlikely ones coming to light!) and i may go back and update my blog posts to include those where possible.
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ReplyDeletehttp://www.miniaturefigurines.co.uk/images/catalogue/FSW18.jpg
French militia in Canada
Alan Tradgardland
Thanks Alan, I will have a closer look at the figures, FSW18 seems very likely!
DeleteDavid,
ReplyDeleteYour mystery French units are as Alan points out French Canadian militia (not Coureurs de Bois - woods runners).
The unpainted unit in mirleton are French LI and can be used for various Legions and Volunteer units more from WAS than SYW. There's a unit in brown faced red for example.
The one in helmets - no idea possibly even revolutionary war.
Russians - only ever allied with Austrians, Swedes and Prussians when changing sides, never French - too far away!
Neil
Thanks Neil, all useful thoughts, and you are in agreement with others. Those French LI will be fun to paint.
DeleteGood point about the Russians; I am thinking 'Soldier King' may be a good basis for campaigning again, in which case the Russians would be at the Easternmost extreme, or perhaps coming in as 'mercenaries' without a territory of their own, but in alliance with others as appropriate. The French will clearly have a big army and won't be in great need of allies. Swedes? I hadn't thought of them!
David,
ReplyDeleteOn a second look, I think some of the flags are misleading and is leading to misidentification. I'm pretty certain "Bulkely" are in fact a British regiment that somehow as acquired that flag. Likewise the last unit of Grenadiers du France has the right flag but wrong facing coloe and the bearskins are all wrong. I think on of the other units has the wrong flag which I cannot place - there were grenadiers formed from militia as well.
Neil
Thanks again Neil, you have been looking more closely than I, and I think you are right. This brings up an interesting aspect of the whole collection - there may well be a large element of wargamers' license taken by the original owners! I am going to try to decipher the Minifigs catalog codes on the bases of the figures where possible, and I think there may be some fairly 'interesting' results! The 'Bulkely' regiment may be useful, as you will have noticed there are no specifically British regiments in the AWI part of the collection, so they would be welcome to change sides!
DeleteA great collection, David. Though from the comments above, you may have more work to do reflagging etc.
ReplyDeleteThanks Richard, I am really pleased with them. All the comments are useful, and they have reminded me that I should look closely at the actual figures being used - I think some 'interesting' choices have been made! Now, do I 'correct' things, or 'respect' the intentions/improvisations of the original owners...?
DeleteA splendid collection of figures you have picked up. Is there much more to reveal?
ReplyDeleteThanks Peter, yes splendid indeed! There are another couple of boxes of infantry, and some artillery still to come..
DeleteGosh, plenty of lovely chaps there with still more to come:). You will certainly be spoilt for choice on the games front with so many options available to you!
ReplyDeleteThanks Steve, yes more to come! Indeed many options open up, I think primarily larger 7YW games and the chances for a multi-army campaign, plus a (quite timely with 250th anniversary ) move into AWI.. all good!
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